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[native-nutrition] Re: Carlson Cod Liver Oil Does Not Contain Synthetic Vitamins

  • Subject: Re: Carlson Cod Liver Oil Does Not Contain Synthetic Vitamins
  • From: "timjohan1" <timjohan1@...>
  • Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 15:02:11 -0000
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Petteri,

Moller's oil for Finland is different than their oils sold in other
countries in Europe. The oil sold to Finland is known to contain
added vitamins A and D. Although these vitamins may possibly be
synthetic in Finland (I don't really know), they are not in the US.
The Moller website even specifies that their oils vary in different
markets.

Lysi is not in any way associated with or used by Carlson or Moller,
so I don't how their comments relate in any way to Carlson. Also,
Lysi is not the largest producer of Cod Liver Oil as far as I know.
I've acutally never even heard of them until now. Where did you get
this information from?

Remember that it is possible to extract the natural vitamins A and D
found in cod liver oil prior to processing and then blend them back
into the oil at a later stage. This allows the vitamin content to
remain at a pre-specified level while keeping the vitamins natural.

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "pkankkunen"
<petteri.kankkunen@s...> wrote:

Yes Tim, I do know what I'm talking about. Actually, Möller's
Finnish
importer Tamro has the spec sheet available on-line as a .pdf-file.
The site doesn't seem to be working right now but you can access it
via Google's cached pages. Here's the direct link:

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:lwiySXLRaO4J:
www.kalanmaksaoljy.fi:8888/Tamro_Suomi/tamrosuomi.
nsf/304c79868e05cc4e42256c8a003ea944/bbd1fd5b67118
1eec2256d56001b36da/%24FILE/_39dgmoobedlgmmsr1ihm6
ku90edkn8sjleln62_.pdf+kromivihreisiin+natronkalkk
i-lasipulloihin&hl=fi

If you're interested you can order the sheet as a official notice
from
our National agency for medicines. They will likely charge you for
it
and it wil still be in finnish. Here you can find the contact
information:

http://www.laakelaitos.fi/english/about_us/contact
_information/index.html

I'm sorry if my poor english lead people believe that Carlson's has
one thing or the other. What I meant to say in my original post was
that Carson's should be able to provide a spec sheet that list the
ingredients, not that I know the ingredients are similiar. But that
has been now discussed.

My intention was to point out what most CLO produts are made of
nowadays. All CLO-products sold in my country have added synthetic
vitamins. When I asked Agusta Hardardottir, the Export Manager of
Lysi
(the biggest producer of cod liver oil), she said they do not have
unbleached and undeodorized cod liver oil with natural vitamins A
and
D on stock so this kind of oil would therefore be produced
according
to a mutually agreed specification.

So yes, there's a growing number of people who need convincing that
the vitamins in any given CLO are natural. And for a good reason.

Petteri


--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "timjohan1"
<timjohan1@y...>
wrote:
Remember here folks, this whole discussion is between me and the
members of this group. As stated in my first post, it is NOT
endorsed by Carlson. In fact, I don't believe they are yet aware
of
this communication. My responses are fueled on a personal level
by
numerous calls and e-mails from customers who have read posts on
this group.

However, when I get back to the office next week I will inform
Management of this communication and request that a copy of a
product information sheet be made available. Of course, if
approved, you will see on the document that no other ingredients
are
listed besides cod liver oil, vitamin E including mixed
tocopherols
from soy and natural lemon flavor (for the flavored version).

On a side note, I just remembered an issue that I wanted to
comment
on. I believe it was Petteri who mentioned that he felt it was
odd
that a company would list a single vitamin content for a natural
cod
liver oil. He felt that a range would be more appropriate.
What
Perreri did not consider is that Carlson has more than one label
printed and ready to be used pending the results of each batch
analysis. Therefore, if a batch contained 1,100 IU, that
corresponding label would be used. If a batch contained 900 IU
then
that corresponding label would be used. It would actually be
cheaper and easier for Carlson print only one label with vitamin
content ranges. In fact, because of ever changing natural
vitamin
contents and increasing label costs, Carlson is now doing just
this.

Tim

--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "Suze Fisher"
<s.fisher22@v...> wrote:
--- In native-nutrition@yahoogroups.com, "timjohan1"
<timjohan1@y...>
wrote:
Suze, how is it that you trust the information posted by
Petteri
without seeing the specification sheet but you actually need
to
see
one from me to prove his baseless information false?

Because YOUR product is the one avaialbe here in N. America
that
many
WAPFer's are consuming, not the Moeller product. Why would any
of
us
in N. America be concerned with the ingredients in a product
only
distributed in Norway?



Carlson does
not authorize me to honor your request because the product
specs
sheets are confidential. And, in my opinion, why should
Carlson
have to release confidential spec sheets to combat the false
statements of a man who has no proof of validity with regards
to
his
comments?

I have a request for you. Since Petteri was so readily
given
this
spec sheet, why doesn't HE post that spec sheet? Perhaps
Carlson
will grant me permission when there is an actual valid need
to
do
so.


Huh. HOW is it NOT a valid need to provide a product
information
sheet to potential customers who are leary of the product's
ingredients and want to KNOW WHAT THEY ARE CONSUMING. Is it
too
much
to ask what it is we are putting into our mouths? I dunno, but
I
have
this crazy idea that that is an "actual valid need."

You know, I once called a CLO manufacturer here in N. America
and
requested an assay on their product, and they didn't tell
me, "well,
your desire to know what's in our product before you consume
it
isn't 'an actual valid need' so we're not telling." Rather,
they
said
sure, we'll send an assay. And they did. And I became their
customer.


With regards to who I am, here are some supportive links
that I
do
indeed work for Carlson.

http://www.hsrmagazine.com/articles/311cover.html

http://www.carlsonlabs.com/newsletter5.html

Tim Johanek

Thanks for that. I guess my point was that we on this list
don't
know
you, whether or not you work for Carlson's, so we have no idea
if
we
can trust your word on this product. The fact that you work
for
Carslon's still doesn't tell us that whatever you say about
the
product is the truth (especially when Carlsons is not
forthcoming
wiht proof about what's in the product). I really don't mean
this
in
a disrespectful way, but, you know, most folks active on this
list
are quite familiar with the spin put out by many companies and
their
employeesa about the products they promote. Since you haven't
been
around for a while posting about a variety of issues, we
simply
don't
know you well enough to take your word as gospel. That's what
I
meant
by "we don't know you".

Like I said, this could all be laid to rest with a simple
product
information sheet, or whatever the equivalent is here in the
U.S.
(as
long as it lists the ingredients in the product). I would also
like
to see an assay of contaminants, now that we're on the
subject.
Or,
is that also confidential?


Sincerely,
Suze Fisher



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