Cutler protocol
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Andy Cutler's protocol is explained in his book Amalgam Illness, http://www.noamalgam.com.
Moria has a web page explaining the dosages and timings of the chelating agents (ALA, DMSA, DMPS) here: http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Andy_dose_sched.html
Basically, ALA must be taken no less often than every 3 hours, around the clock. Every 4 hours for DMSA and 8 hours for DMPS. If taking ALA+DMSA or ALA+DMPS, the dosing must be every 3 hours.
The ALA and DMSA dose should start from 1/8 or 1/4 mg per lb body weight, and adjusted upwards in ensuing rounds as tolerated. The same starting doses apply if taking ALA with DMSA. For DMPS, start from 1/4 mg per lb body weight. If taking ALA with DMPS, halve the starting dose of DMPS.
Taking it less often means running a higher risk of regression or damage. Taking large single doses or once a day doses can result in permanent neurological and other damage. Challenge tests are an example of this kind of usage. See Testing for mercury for some reports. See the sections below for an understanding of why dosage and timing are so important for safe chelation.
All sources of mercury in the body must be removed first, including amalgams under crowns, or permanent and irreversible damage can occur. See How people get poisoned#Toxicity exacerbated by chelating while having mercury fillings for reports of damage from chelating with amalgams.
See comments on other protocols also.
Testing for Mercury
- For information on hair tests and other lab tests see Testing for mercury
- If you are not sure if mercury is a problem (e.g. ambiguous hair test), some trial chelation rounds will show if mercury is an issue. See #When you are not sure if there is a mercury problem
Challenge tests
Movement of mercury in the body
See http://onibasu.com/archives/am/259260.html for the most complete explanation of: where organic mercury ends up when injected by vaccination, how mercury is affected by chelators, how DMSA and ALA work differently and what is meant or not meant by equilibrium.
See #Stall period and #The 3 month rule also.
- A selection of papers on the half life of various species of mercury and its neurological impacts. Also commentary by Cutler on erroneus analysis of data by some authors - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/2944.html
- http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/2987.html - Cutler writes that re-absorption of mercury from bile recycling (hepatic recycling) is not clinically significant: "The absorption of inorganic mercury from the intestinal tract is 10% or less. The form excreted in bile is inorganic. Recycling is at most 10%. This is not clinically significant."
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/128480.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/128776.html - Blood is a big resevoir of mercury if it is mobilized from organs. Mobilizing it will not send it all to the brain.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/48302.html - "All chelators grab and drop mercury more rapidly than they are excreted, so the fact that they bind tightly to it (equilibrium) in no way means they don't rattle it around the body (kinetics)." He goes on to say how DMSA or DMPS with ALA may slightly accelerate excretion from the brain compared to ALA alone.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/76501.html - A long message from Cutler on equilibrium of mercury and related topics.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/28459.html - Another post on equilibrium of mercury and chelators.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/6726.html - ALA chelates at a faster rate than DMPS or DMSA.
- Equlibrium as it relates to ingesting cysteine - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/1997.html
- Redistribution is defined as the movement of mercury from the brain (or other organs) and back in again without being excreted - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/129672.html
- Deranged mineral transport leads to mercury being accumulated in organs. People with normal mineral transport are able to keep the level of mercury in organs and blood in equilibrium, but there will still be accumulation in the brain. Both will have the same low blood levels of mercury - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/84366.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/65346.html
- It is not known why mercury causes widespread mineral transport derangement. Some other metals interfere with a smaller set of mineral transport processes - http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/14265.html
- Mercury accumulates in the brain with or without deranged mineral transport. With deranged mineral transport, there will also be accumulation in organs such as the liver, intestines, thyroid, heart and adrenals - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/65346.html
- Take lots of minerals with deranged mineral transport and hope the body can sort it out - http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/10062.html
- The body cannot detoxify mercury without external chelators if there is deranged mineral transport, and never from the brain - http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/13646.html
Organic and inorganic mercury
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/41984.html - Cutler explains why it is inaccurate to say organic mercury is tremendously more toxic than inorganic mercury. Also explains why thimerosal is so harmful to infants, and though organic mercury is not harmful to kidneys unlike inorganic mercury, it is more harmful to the brain. See also vaccinations.
- Organic mercury isn't really toxic in itself until the body demethylates it to inorganic mercury, which can take months - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/5501.html
- Organic mercury to inorganic mercury conversion has an approximately 44 day half life - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/51234.html
- Organic mercury known to affect calcium channels, and Cutler theorizes that organic mercury in the presence of deranged mineral transport is taken up by the brain more readily - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/66115.html
- Organic mercury has a greater chance of being deposited in hair than inorganic mercury, so people who eat a lot of fish can have high hair mercury yet not be very sick, and those who have elevated hair mercury without any source of organic mercury tend to be very sick - http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/3550.html
Brain clearance of mercury
Only ALA will chelate mercury from the brain. DMSA and DMPS do not cross the blood brain barrier because they are not fat soluble nor have a transport protein.
See ALA also for information relating to chelating mercury from the brain.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/123577.html - It takes a long time to chelate mercury from the brain compared to the body, and the only chelator for this is ALA.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/39746.html - Cutler outlining how the brain has a higher affinity for mercury than blood. Taking ALA and waiting longer than 3 hours will result in the net brain absorption of the mobilized mercury after the ALA half life.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/74605.html - Cutler explains that equilibrium and blood brain barrier permeability determine whether net mercury moves in or out of the brain. ALA binds free mercury on both sides of the blood brain barrier, and makes the barrier more permeable for the equlibrium of free mercury concentrations. This is why he believes brain clearance is faster when ALA is combined with DMSA or DMPS, see http://onibasu.com/archives/am/16243.html.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/50161.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/202256.html - The fat solubility of ALA is what allows it to cross the blood brain barrier.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/43875.html - Cutler says it is possible that Parkinson's is caused by mercury alone, other metals, or other metals with mercury. He cites a case where the person with Parkinson's was bismuth-toxic and made worse by improper amalgam removal.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/2948.html - Some references to autopsy studies of mercury in various organs. Cutler makes some comments relating to the co-accumulation of selenium in brains in http://onibasu.com/archives/am/3080.html.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/81363.html - Cutler gives a simplified description: Rate of mercury from brain is proportional to the concentration of ALA in the brain times the amount of free unbound mercury in the brain. Rate of mercury to the brain is proportional to the concentration of ALA in the body times the amount of free unbound mercury in the body. Together these dictate the net movement of mercury between the body and the brain, but at any moment in time, there is mercury moving both ways.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/81364.html - Autistic kids poisoned by organic mercury (thimerosal) will have a much higher concentration of mercury in the brain than the body compared to adults who are poisoned by amalgams.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/217100.html - Behavioral improvements in children when chelating with DMSA or DMPS without ALA can be attributed to somatic effects and other improvements. See also http://onibasu.com/archives/am/99667.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/99661.html.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/27547.html - Using DMSA or DMPS with ALA usually reduces side effects (compared to ALA alone) because it reduces the amount of mercury traffic accross the blood brain barrier.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/84471.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/2411.html - DMSA will not remove mercury from the brain to any useful extent.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/21663.html - Cutler says other metals have their own chemistry.
- Smarter kids seem more susceptible to toxins. Unclear why this is - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/99667.html. See also http://onibasu.com/blog/2005/03/smarter-people-more-susceptible-to.html
Yeast and mercury
For more information on treating yeast, see Yeast overgrowth.
- Cutler says its not true that yeast converts mercury into a less toxic form. (Statement attributed to Huggins) - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/92887.html
- "Since mammals don't methylate mercury AT ALL, and intestinal yeast does not do so to a clinically siginificant extent, you need to chelate and also don't have to consider the methylmercury/ALA issue." - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/73181.html
The liver and mercury
See Liver support also.
- Mercury can cause lower bile flow in some people. People with lower bile flow (for any reason) are more likely to become mercury toxic as 72% of inorganic and all organic mercury is excreted through bile - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/3693.html
- Liver, pancreas and intestines may hold onto a lot of mercury - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/6052.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/6136.html (See #The 3 month rule also)
- Increasing glutathione levels does not increase the excretion rate of mercury - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/6136.html
- Glutathione is relevant only in the final step of biliary mercury excretion - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/122470.html. Increasing the clearance rate of mercury from liver cells into bile has an insignificant effect on body burden - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/122883.html
- Liver problems can decrease the rate of excretion of mercury - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/802.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/818.html - However he says this is rare - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/25840.html
- Mercury not known to affect P450 enzymes (liver phase 1) - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/788.html
- Methylation (as in the liver phase 2 pathway) not involved in mercury excretion, and some mercury will be excreted by urine when using ALA - http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/24735.html
- ALA increases liver glutathione levels - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/136383.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/22612.html
- Even if the amount of mercury in the brain or liver could be measured, it doesn't tell you how sensitive someone is to the amount involved - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/108741.html
- Low cholesterol can be caused by heavy metals, and can reduce the rate of excretion of heavy metals. Since NADH is needed for cholesterol synthesis, look into what else depends on NADH or try NADH - http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/8766.html
- Raising cholesterol by increasing the absorption of fats needs bile and lipase - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/691.html
- In some people, the hepatitis B vaccine seems to affect the liver's ability to excrete mercury - http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/3556.html
- Hepatitis causes problems with secreting bile so toxins including mercury are not excreted as well as they would otherwise be. It also causes problems digesting fats. - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/107088.html
- Elevated copper and mercury is due to low bile excretion due to either poisoned liver or genetic reasons - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/542.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/1715.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/2142.html
- If there is low bile flow with elevated hair copper, something else is usually responsible for it. When there is a mercury problem in addition to this, more often than not there is something else causing all this. In this specific example, he thinks the elevated lead may be the underlying cause. - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/70901.html (See also #Treating copper and #Treating lead)
- Mercury may induce Gilber's syndrome (poor excretion of bilirubin) in some people - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/93244.html
- Inappropriate chelation protocols have caused elevated liver enzymes in children - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/111059.html
- Raising glutathione production rate by supplementing glutamine and glycine in the presence of high cysteine - http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/873.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/2486.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/3380.html
Starting chelation
Refer to the Amalgam Illness book. The main guideline is to wait 3 months after amalgams are removed before starting with ALA or 4 days for DMSA or DMPS.
See #Treating copper for treating elevated copper.
See Chelation symptoms also.
- On the issue of clearing gut issues before chelating (typically proposed by DAN! doctors), Cutler has said this is almost never necessary. - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/81809.html. Example of an exception to this: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/68835.html. See also Comments on other protocols.
- Useful tests to run before chelating - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/93967.html. See Testing for mercury also.
- Two situations where chelation may not be worth trying - http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/18696.html
- Cutler says eating fish does not count as a recent, acute exposure to organic mercury. In other words eating fish is not like removing amalgams. See the above section on mercury metabolism for more information on organic mercury - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/89556.html
- Redistribution of mercury by inappropriate chelation does not count as recent or acute exposure - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/89595.html
- Cutler says once the natural mercury detox process starts, urinary mercury goes down, up and down. It doesn't matter what the source is, and some people's detox process runs slower than the six months mentioned in Amalgam Illness (page 52) - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/34329.html
- Cutler gives an example of a situation where he believes chelation may not be necessary after amalgam removal - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/120331.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/82494.html.
- What can happen over the long term if someone chelates with ALA while amalgams are in place - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/46916.html
- What to do if there are amalgam stains on teeth - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/78916.html
- Cutler suggests leaving out DMSA if it makes behavior worse (after amalgam removal) - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/15135.html
- There is no absolute requirement to use DMPS or DMSA to chelate, especially after amalgam removal. ALA is the most powerful chelator - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/137770.html
- "In fact there is no testing that is informative in deciding whether to introduce ALA. You just do it based on what you see going on." - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/217548.html
- If a child has had no recent mercury exposure and chelating with DMSA, try adding ALA very soon - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/43456.html
Safety of chelation
- There is a lot of useless information about chelation on the web. If they focus on the agent and not how to use it, or don't talk about dosage or the importance of dosage timing, it is safe to ignore it. Example given is Ray Peat's opinions on chelation. Aspirin, tylenol, testosterone and estrogen are far more toxic than EDTA, DMPS or DMSA - http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/38316.html
- In responding to an ambiguous case, there is no good reason not to try chelation and there is not dangerous if responsibility is taken to do it properly - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/212361.html
The 3 month rule
In Amalgam Illness, Cutler explains that if you are chelating after amalgams are removed, you should wait 3 months before using ALA (4 days for DMSA or DMPS). The reason for this is to allow the mercury in the blood to be excreted first. ALA slightly increases the permeability of the blood brain barrier to mercury, and using it right after acute exposure may cause some mercury to be deposited in the brain as the mercury concentrations move toward equilibrium. This equilibrium process is slow and ALA accelerates it.
See #Movement of mercury in the body and #Stall period also.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/26985.html - Cutler explains that the potential increase of mercury in the brain from using ALA before three months may cause temporary worsening, is more of a concern for amalgam poisoned adults, and is reversible with chelation.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/34518.html - Cutler further explains that the accumulation of mercury in the brain happens in some but not most cases, and that chelating a bit longer with ALA would clear it.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/6259.html - Cutler says the 3 month rule applies to modest chronic exposures and not necessarily to acute exposures.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/50995.html - Cutler says "two or three months" here.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/834.html - Cutler says start ALA after three months or when the dump starts. He is referring to the excretion of mercury bound to organs which happens after blood mercury has been excreted.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/813.html - Cutler explains to start ALA after three months or urine mercury drops 80%, whichever comes first.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/33781.html - Cutler says to think of the 3 month suggestion not as a rigid requirement but as a guideline for what occurs in the average normal case.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/34168.html - Perhaps a clearer explanation for the three month rule than the one in Amalgam Illness.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/34128.html - When urinary mercury starts to rise, it is past time to start using ALA.
- When urine mercury falls, before the second peak, is when to add ALA to help move the mercury coming out of organs out and reduce symptoms - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/6139.html
When you are not sure if there is a mercury problem
See Testing for mercury#Hair Tests for more information on hair tests.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/51618.html - Hair test for 11 year old male did not meet counting rules but also supplementing. Cutler says never to stop needed supplements unless you can't do anything without the result. Suggests a trial round with DMSA and another with ALA or combined DMSA and ALA.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/178490.html - Hair test for 13 year old non-verbal male meets counting rules, did one round of ALA with no improvement but tolerated ALA well and behavior was slightly different on round. This person asks if its too early to give up. Cutler says try three months of chelation first.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/136385.html - 7 year old male not improving after 3 rounds of DMSA chelation. Unknown hair test. Cutler suggests using ALA and says if there is no improvement and hair test does not meet counting rules, look into other problems besides heavy metals. http://onibasu.com/archives/am/153655.html - Original poster after 7 months says there is still no improvement. Did not try ALA or talk about hair test result as Cutler originally suggested. Cutler says if the kid is not responding to chelation, then do something else.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/136410.html - This person says it took 10 rounds before he saw improvements in his son. Now at 32 rounds with steady progress.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/95036.html - Normal hair test, mother considers her 4 year old son to be NT only if on GFCF Diet, a late talker and has an older PDD-NOS brother. Did one round of ALA without problems. Cutler suggests another round or two of ALA and if there are no improvements or side effects, to look into other issues besides heavy metals.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/110488.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/111369.html - Hair test for 7 year old male does not meet counting rules but signs of possible mercury toxicity. Tried one round on DMSA. Cutler suggests 4 more rounds of chelation with ALA added, and says if there are no improvements, look into other things. See also this thread started by the same poster asking about other indicators of mercury toxicity when the hair test is inconclusive: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/111180.html
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/101546.html - Normal looking hair test for 5 year old male. Cutler suggests one DMSA round and four more rounds of ALA with DMSA to determine if heavy metals are an issue.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/71110.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/71186.html - Cutler says Great Smokies hair tests can look normal despite DDI hair test not looking normal. Also says 6 year olds are the hardest to be sure of even with DDI hair tests.
- If the hair test is suggestive of mercury but there are mild or no symptoms, try chelation - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/212361.html
- How to interpret a hair test with normal mineral transport and elevated mercury - http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/3550.html
Length of rounds
See also the section on #Treating copper if you have elevated copper.
- In this recent post (Dec 2007), Cutler explains that breaks are for the practical necessity of recovery. Although it was never clear that breaks were an absolute necessity, this was the way chelation was done, and he was being conservative by not changing this aspect - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/216928.html. See also the beginning of this earlier post - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/123889.html. See also http://onibasu.com/archives/am/120217.html.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/113375.html - Cutler's comments: rounds up to 21 days theoretically ok, keep supplements on and off round, estimate of how much brain mercury is removed per round.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/2431.html - Cutler explains the breaks between rounds are to prevent the build up of copper and zinc levels in the body. Copper builds up faster than zinc, and is more toxic. Hence use zinc supplementation (zinc with meals) to control copper absorption on and off a round.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/37973.html - One day rounds are not recommended due to psychiatric symptoms in some adults. This does not happen with three day rounds. Cutler says two or one day rounds may be feasible for children at the beginning.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/25935.html - Cutler explains that he is less concerned with the length of the breaks than at the time he wrote Amalgam Illness. In addition to the buildup of zinc and copper, the break is needed because of increasing side effects with longer rounds. Some people who feel better on the round have tried continuous chelation without breaks.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/30285.html - Cutler says his recommendation against continuous chelation was based on conservative assumptions, and subsequent experience has shown that people who feel better on a round can chelate for long periods of time. Also says this applies only to ALA. Feels DMSA and DMPS should not be done continuously unless there is a strong reason to.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/47020.html - Cutler on estimates of zinc and copper accumulation while on a round: "One round = 3 days = 7% increase in copper at worst, and 2% increase in zinc at worst. In practice it is less than that."
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/120066.html - Cutler explains the reason for 3 days on and 11 days off. Says longer than 3 days is okay if tolerated.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/17134.html - Cutler states that while most people can tolerate week long rounds of DMSA or DMPS, and ALA has the most side effects, do at least 3 days on a round, and "Longer rounds are suggested if they are convenient and you tolerate them OK."
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/26599.html - Cutler says taking ALA continuously would lead to copper toxicity before zinc toxicity, but on the scale of weeks to months.
- Every person's situation is unique, and the rules about the length of rounds in general should be followed unless there is a good reason to do it differently - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/37095.html
- Cutler comments on extending the break period if there is no progress seen during chelation - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/27363.html
- No difference in risk known between 3 days on/4 days off and 3/11 - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/32944.html
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Dosage and timing of chelators
- Description of half-life and why it is important to dose accordingly from Textbook of Clinical Neurology, 2nd ed - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/126769.html
- It is better to use lower dose ALA/DMSA than to do ALA/DMSA on day one and DMSA-only on subsequent days - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/83949.html
- Cutler does not think tapering the dose down near the end of the round is a good idea - Cutler in 2002: http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/5999.html, and in 2007: http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/17734.html
- It is possible to alter the dosage timing if you alter the dosage but very few people have tried it, and the side effects were not very well tolerated - http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/17330.html
- In 2000, Cutler explains that toxicity will determine if 4 hour dosing at night is tolerated. He also mentions one day chelation. http://onibasu.com/archives/am/2164.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/2252.html
- If using DMSA with ALA, and ending the round with just DMSA, you don't need to use only DMSA for a whole day, a couple doses is sufficient - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/219393.html. The improvement in redistribution effect can be a guide - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/65590.html.
- Adding DMSA to ALA often feels better but not always. DMPS and ALA feels different also - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/21859.html
- Ratio of DMSA to ALA is not very important - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/137858.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/22047.html. See also: "the DMSA dose really doesn't need to be varied as the ALA dose is increased or decreased - they are doing different things and no particular ratio is needed." http://onibasu.com/archives/am/14473.html
- When to add ALA after starting DMSA? "There is no testing that is informative in deciding whether to introduce ALA. You just do it based on what you see going on." - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/217548.html. In an earlier post he says introduce ALA when progress slows down (when the 3 month rule does not apply) or sooner - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/123889.html. Some people who are very toxic or very sensitive to chelators will need to wait longer before introducing ALA or will tolerate only very small amounts of ALA.
- Why Cutler is reluctant to suggest taking more than 1mg/lb of any chelator - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/33447.html
- Cutler says kids shouldn't take more than 1/2 mg/lb; 1 mg/lb is okay for adults who decide their own dose and know how it feels - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/82131.html
- If dosing early, the next dose has to come within 3 hours of the previous dose. - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/53040.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/24646.html. Note that it is very individual because some people are very intolerant of timing interruptions or deviations.
- What happens if you miss a dose - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/207852.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/55691.html. Note that it is very individual because some people are very intolerant of timing interruptions or deviations.
- On increasing the dose of ALA - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/52057.html
- Cutler estimates that chelation may be 20-30% faster using DMSA with ALA than ALA alone - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/20727.html
- There are no hard rules about the maximum chelator dose. It is really based on side effects. A 50% increase in dose would mean about 18% increase in mercury excretion - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/111370.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/32252.html
- On missing the night dose - http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/25617.html
- It is always ok to dose more frequently than the guidelines, especially if the experience is "rough" - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/40930.html
- Cutler says continue the round to someone who accidentally gave 100mg of ALA instead of 33mg - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/90363.html
- The rate of mercury excretion is proportional to the increase in dosage to the power of 0.409, definitely nowhere near linear. Yet side effects increase much more quickly - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/67953.html
- Chelating with too high a dose can do more harm than good. People can get very sick thinking that more aggressive chelation will result in faster progress. Use a dose that has tolerable side effects - http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/27673.html
- When chelators are used wrongly, they make people worse; further deranges mineral transport, concentrate more mercury in the brain (and organs), reduce immune function causing intestinal issues, etc - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/132757.html
Dosing more frequently than 3 or 4 hours
- The more sensitive someone is to a chelator, the more they will benefit from a more frequent dosing. Someone who can only tolerate 10 mg of DMSA every 4 hours often can tolerate 100 mg of DMSA every hour. Cutler estimates 95% of people are ok with the 4 hour dosing. - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/92631.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/101625.html
- Consider halving the dose if dosing twice as often - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/229447.html
Forms of dosing
- ALA and DMSA can be mixed together in an acidic liquid - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/137858.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/138034.html
- If DMSA is used in a suspension (liquid), it must be acidic to counteract oxidation by air - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/46817.html
- DMSA in solution should have a pH of less than 5.5 for stability - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/98819.html
- ALA or DMSA in acidic solution should be used within 12 hours - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/103744.html
- ALA is not sensitive to air oxidation, unlike DMSA and DMPS - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/120570.html
- Splitting DMSA capsules or mixing with acidic dry powder will not affect its potency as long as it is kept dry and not in contact with alkaline materials - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/201666.html
- Sublingual ALA is ok too - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/147537.html
- A last resort method of getting a child to take the nightly dose - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/68184.html
- Dry DMSA loses its effectiveness slowly due to air oxidation - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/229365.html
- It is okay to take sodium bicarbonate before chelators if acidic supplements are not tolerated - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/91007.html
Experience with progress
See Progress reports for people's experiences after long term chelation using Cutler's protocol.
Note Sometimes people will experience worsening during chelation, especially of neurological symptoms, because there is a hidden source of mercury in the mouth. For examples see How people get poisoned#Toxicity exacerbated by chelating while having mercury fillings
- http://onibasu.com/archives/am/43339.html - Cutler says liver will usually improve before endocrine (adrenals), except some fast phase 1 problems can take a long time to heal. Suggests a year or two for adrenals to start improving significantly.
- When is chelation finished? http://onibasu.com/archives/am/215684.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/153560.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/52015.html
- Real wellness for mercury toxic autistic kids takes 100-300 chelation rounds. Mineral transport will normalize before all mercury is removed. - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/111518.html
- Cutler's comments on graphs of mercury excretion rates based on equations he posted before (http://onibasu.com/archives/am/113375.html) - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/233128.html. The charts are here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pNNg2ghmPcBTKUD6u89SaFg
- Should see progress within the first 3 months, and some of the progress should be permanent - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/2941.html
- Chelating with too high a dose can do more harm than good. People can get very sick thinking that more aggressive chelation will result in faster progress. Use a dose that has tolerable side effects - http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/27673.html
Stall period
In most mercury toxic people uncomplicated by other heavy metals, there is a stall period after initial improvement when chelating according to Cutler's protocol.
Refer to page 52 of Amalgam Illness for a graph and explanation.
See #Movement of mercury in the body and #The 3 month rule also.
- Not chelating during the stall period can mean worsening symptoms - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/129543.html
- People may be tempted to stop chelating during the stall period if they are not persistant - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/134773.html
- Another post on the importance of chelating through the stall period if improvements were seen at the beginning. Progress should resume 9-15 months after the the start of chelating if you keep chelating through the stall period - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/178468.html
- The timing of the progress-stall-progress curve is more dependent on what the body is doing rather than chelation itself, i.e. it doesn't matter how many rounds or how often one chelates - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/129558.html
- In an early post, Cutler says there is a 3 month valley between excretion peaks in adults poisoned by amalgams, and the second peak could be higher in children. Suggests a genetic dimorphism for those who excrete mercury from the body and those who retain mercury in organs - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/6052.html. See posts relating to deranged mineral transport in #Movement of mercury in the body for more elaboration.
- 'Everyone with mercury tox seems to go through a "two humped" excretion regardless of whether they chelate and if they do regardless of what agent they use.' - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/6024.html
Lack of progress
See also the section #The liver and mercury on this page.
- http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/6882.html - In responding to someone who has experienced worsening of some symptoms, Cutler says the odds of recovering over the long term in those who react to chelation is probably over 95% but the biggest problem is not sticking to it.
- Cutler says if you don't see progress from chelation, sometimes you need to take a break from chelation to let the body heal to see further progress - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/27363.html
- Cutler says if a mercury toxic person is not tolerating chelation, they need to figure out what supplements or changes are needed to tolerate it. Describes the profile of an intolerant person as "chemically sensitive allergic to everything "universal reactors" who have adrenal insufficiency and lots of psych symptoms along the lines of agitation, anxiety and depression." He also says the most toxic people and lead toxic people do not fit the profile of seeing improvements early. - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/82131.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/82169.html
- Cutler's recommendations to mercury toxic adult woman who didn't seem to be getting better after a year and 44 rounds - http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/6882.html
- Seizures developed after antivirals and NCD, all gains lost - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/191813.html
- The importance of using the optimal protocol for progress - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/45129.html
- Plateau length is very individual but if progress was seen at first, then it is worth continuing with chelation - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/211344.html
- Progress from chelation can be masked by intestinal problems - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/68835.html
- If trial chelation rounds do not show any response, try antivirals, and if still no response, try other things - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/72660.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/131951.html. Reasonable trial period for antivirals is a few weeks if a bunch of them are tried - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/72668.html. See anti-viral protocols.
- Stick to chelation even if progress is glacially slow. It takes a long time - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/128770.html
Other issues
Conception and pregnancy
See also Poisoning in utero under How people get poisoned.
- Conceiving 6 months after removing amalgams is the worst time to do it, do not put a specific conception date on the calendar, don't conceive within 2-3 months after the last chelation, and suggestions for supplementation - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/120035.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/120328.html
- "[Don't remove amalgams until] your child is weaned, OR don't conceive until the later of 18 months after removal, 3 months after the last chelation round, or 6 months after symptoms have subsided substantially and are not changing." - http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/22279.html. See also http://onibasu.com/archives/am/122236.html
- Better to leave fillings in than to take them out if pregnancy is planned within a year. If taking them out, it is best to wait after 18 months of chelation before conceiving - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/112018.html
- Don't chelate until after birth of next child, basic tradeoff is between having a baby that is damaged (possibly irreversibly, but more often reversible with chelation) or regretting not conceiving - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/20294.html
- In an early post from 2001, Cutler said wait 2 years after starting chelation to conceive, or one year if chelation is very aggressive. Note that his more recent suggestions are slightly different and more specific. - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/20392.html
- Replacing one amalgam properly before conceiving may be okay. The presence of amalgams does not automatically mean children will not be normal - http://onibasu.com/archives/amc/1892.html
- Specific instructions on removing an amalgam while pregnant - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/91718.html
- Responding to someone who had an amalgam replaced and was worried - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/100062.html
- Don't chelate while pregnant or breastfeeding - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/131601.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/80791.html
- Maximum recommended dose of Vitamin A in women who might conceive is 10,000 IU/day due to the risk of birth defects incurred during the beginning of pregnancy - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/88685.html
- If a breastfeeding mother wants to chelate, wait at least 3 months after breastfeeding ends before getting a hair test and chelating - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/54964.html
- Lactation makes hair test results different - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/94728.html
- Instructions for fish to avoid, supplements to take and things to avoid while pregnant - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/45270.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/52709.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/112218.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/119910.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/149018.html
- Be very careful administering TD-DMPS while pregnant - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/139461.html
- Epsom salt baths are probably okay while pregnant - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/42462.html
- Try cranial sacral or cranial osteopathic therapy for child who was delivered with vacuum suction on his head - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/120166.html
- Pregnant mothers who get German measles (rubella) can mess up their baby but the risks are much lower than many other common risk factors - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/118684.html
- Always follow the infant 24/7 in the hospital to challenge any procedures. Signing forms that disallow vaccinations will not prevent them. - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/229831.html
Chelation of infants
- Started chelation with ALA when one years old - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/216912.html
- Can start chelation of a baby while breast feeding but depends on the situation - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/217589.html
- Says for mother not to chelate until infant weaned, but infant OK anytime - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/124403.html
- Children poisoned in utero do well when chelated - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/107499.html. See also How people get poisoned for reports of definitive mercury poisoning without vaccinations.
Other chelator concerns
- DMSA, DMPS and ALA do not remove significant amounts of any essential mineral (unlike EDTA) - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/217949.html. See also http://onibasu.com/archives/am/14620.html.
- DMSA-heavy metal complexes are excreted through urine. However this does not mean the kidneys are stressed. Alkalinizing urine is only required for cadmium. It doesn't make a difference for other metals. - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/218668.html
- ALA increases urinary and fecal excretion of mercury - http://onibasu.com/archives/fdc/29108.html. See ALA also.
- Excretion with ALA is 72% in feces, 28% in urine. Taking DMSA or DMPS will increase the urine portion. The body also excretes some through urine and feces on its own - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/98865.html
- DMSA and DMPS won't increase excretion through stools. Other factors that affect excretion through feces - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/85314.html
- DMPS usually feels good (when using the Cutler protocol). Combining DMSA and ALA has more side effects than DMSA alone - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/31361.html
See Chelation symptoms and Testing for mercury#Urine/fecal tests during chelation rounds also.
To understand why ALA must be used for chelating mercury in the brain, and why DMSA and DMPS cannot do this, see #Brain clearance of mercury.
Treating lead
In Hair Test Interpretation, Cutler wrote that lead levels can be normal if the exposure was from long ago (p.11), and "lead is not falsely elevated very often by deranged mineral transport."
- Short description of lead toxicity symptoms - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/55892.html. There is an extensive description in his book Hair Test Interpretation.
- Available tests for lead - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/14994.html
- Measured plasma and urine lead levels will decrease after lead exposure ends because it starts to sequester in the bones and brain - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/50324.html
- ALA will not intefere with chelating lead using DMSA. No need to chelate with DMSA only if there is lead and mercury toxicity - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/187974.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/48186.html
- Suggestions for chelating with ALA and DMSA where DMSA is not used every round for economic or yeast issues - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/55935.html
- Suggestions for someone chelating mercury with ALA but also has lead issues and cannot tolerate DMSA. Cutler says DMPS does not chelate lead to any useful extent. Suggests the use of EDTA after a certain point for this person - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/207858.html. His opinion on DMPS for chelating lead have changed from before, e.g. http://onibasu.com/archives/am/99022.html
- Other messages relating to DMPS and lead chelation - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/171043.html
- Cutler doubts the relation between DMSA dose and lead removed is linear. The amount of DMSA used in low doses is still much larger than the total lead burden. ALA has helped the symptoms of lead-toxic animals in studies. Finally some discussion of urine porphyrins - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/29340.html
- There is the possibility that ALA increases lead absorption - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/38187.html
- Human trials showing DMSA does not affect the IQ of lead toxic children used an inappropriate protocol (10mg/kg every 8 hours) - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/216928.html
- Cutler does not believe it is necessary to chelate lead before mercury, contrary to Amy Holmes - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/34362.html
- Chelating lead could take several years because it is sequestered in the bones - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/82251.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/57922.html
- Lead leaches from bones but will not leave the body in any useful amounts without a chelator - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/20248.html
- Using EDTA when DMSA side effects were not tolerable - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/171301.html
- Cutler suggests EDTA when avoiding DMSA because of low white blood cell count, but says DMSA works better - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/88686.html
- Cutler believes lead in the brain will come out on its own if body levels are decreased - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/48248.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/38300.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/38406.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/24231.html
- When both mercury and lead toxic, the symptoms will be a combination of both and potentially severe where they overlap - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/90367.html
- This parent found that blood, hair and urine lead levels were low for 3 years and during chelation for 2 of those years. Urine tests while using DMSA did not show elevated lead, but most recent urine test while using DMSA unexpectedly showed elevated lead with gains in behavior. http://onibasu.com/archives/am/195113.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/195134.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/213592.html
- Other people with hair tests showing a rise in lead excretion during chelation - mysuperteach: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/195127.html, jromkema: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/195128.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/119428.html, http://onibasu.com/archives/am/119392.html, lanellici: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/119370.html, and Cutler's response to lanellici: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/119911.html
- No chelator will mobilize lead from teeth or bones - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/229414.html
- If there is low bile flow with elevated hair copper, something else is usually responsible for it. When there is a mercury problem in addition to this, more often than not there is something else causing all this. In this specific example, he thinks the elevated lead may be the underlying cause. - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/70901.html (See also #Treating copper and #The liver and mercury)
- Cutler has seen hair tests with high levels of lead and normal mineral transport - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/70730.html
Treating copper
This section was moved to Copper toxicity
Iron
- Mercury often inhibits iron absorption or retention. Some do better with iron supplementation, others do worse. Often comes up on its own if antioxidants are used properly. Hair iron does not reflect body stores. Best source is red meat juice drippings from cooking roasts - http://onibasu.com/archives/am/125868.html
See also
- Mark Schauss interviews Andy Cutler - http://www.letstalkrealhealth.com/dr-andrew-cutler-phd-mercury-detoxification/