Re: myers cocktail
- Subject: Re: myers cocktail
- Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:20:35 EDT
- Yahoo! Message Number: 2694
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<< Vitamin
C...........................................................................
...1-10 cc or more, usually 222 mg/cc or 500 mg/cc >>
More is often used, and you want to make sure they use SODIUM ASCORBATE,
not ascorbic acid.
Also if this is mixed up in a syringe it is wildly hypertonic. It goes in
better if diluted about 30% with water, and also if there is about 1/2 to 1
cc of lidocaine in it to calm down your veins.
For people whose veins spasm you can put the Ca and Mg and some water in the
first syringe to get the Mg levels up which prevents spasms and then put the
C and other stuff in the second syringe. The syringes can be changed without
using another needle and sticking you again if a "butterfly" needle with a
flexible tube on it is used.
This is MUCH more effective if the C is given over 10-30 minutes by syringe
in a highly concentrated form than it is if everything is put into an IV bag,
mixed down to not being so hypertonic, and infused over an hour or two. In
fact, one person I know has done it both ways many times and says that 8
grams of C in a syringe works at least as well as 50 (a very large amount
most doc's won't use) in an iv bag.
If you are actually magnesium deficient and need to inject it, you don't
need to get it iv - intramuscular shots work fine. However if you don't have
them done properly they hurt A LOT. The proper way to do it is to mix 2-2.5
cc of MgSO4 (50% solution for injection) with about 1/2 cc of lidocaine and
0.1 to 0.2 cc of bicarbonate for injection. If you are having particular
trouble you may need to do these every day or two. If you use a 3 cc syringe
you can easily do the injection through a 30 gauge needle which doesn't hurt,
but you need a larger needle (larger than 25 gauge) to draw the solutions
into the syringe from the vials.
You need a doctor to do IV injections. You can be taught how to do IM
injections - it isn't all that hard - though of course you need a doc to do
that and to Rx the supplies. Note that most doctors aren't aware that you
can use about a 5 gauge size smaller (larger gauge number is smaller) needle
to do the injection than you need to load the syringe so you have to ask them
to prescribe 2 needles for each syringe. Some are not aware that if you
apply pressure at the injection site for several minutes afterwards you won't
have any bruising or discomfort which you often get if you just pull the
needle out and go on about your business.
The amount of vitamin C you need to make a difference is too large to do in
an im shot. Some of the B vitamins can be given this way if you need to do
it.
This is based on the reports of many patients and a couple of doctors, but I
haven't personally had iv-c or im Mg done to me. I have learned to inject
myself and it really isn't that hard - it is much more psychologically
troublesome than it is painful.
As we have discussed on list before I highly reccomend leaving the needles to
adults unless there really is no other option for your kid.
Andy Cutler
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